Olympic International Rapid Fire Pistol and US Army Reserve Team Champion SFC Keith Sanderson discusses his approach to learning fast recoil recovery in practical, action and combat pistol shooting.
Recoil Recovery for Fast Shooting
May 16, 2011
MilitaryMarksman, SensibleShooter, Shooting, Video 11 Comments
Jewish Marksman
May 17, 2011 @ 19:36:27
Hi, just discovered your blog. I shoot highpower and bullseye. I really like the comments and insights you have about competitive shooting in your articles… I’m a 5’7″ 155 lb scrawny little guy with no military or leo experience. I love it when new leo or military guys come to a highpower match and keep coming back with all new respect for the sporting civilian role in the marksmanship community after seeing me and other guys and gals in the club shoot. They really seem to take marksmanship more seriously afterwards (minute of bad guy ain’t good enough anymore), which has to be a good thing!
David B. Monier-Williams
May 29, 2011 @ 07:00:52
This demonstration is valid for those who will remain stationary and are built like an ox. Keith stance is totally out of balance making him unable to move in any direction and successfully engage other targets. He is also using his large upper torso strength to muscle the gun. This again is a severe limitation in movement. He is limited to turreting the torso, leading to over swing.
His technique is 50 years behind the curve.
John M. Buol Jr.
May 29, 2011 @ 15:21:21
>> His technique is 50 years behind the curve.
I will pass this on to the Olympic-level shooter in the demonstration you are commenting on.
Please post or reply with a link to a video demonstrating what correct technique looks like.
Thanks!
Jewish Marksman
May 29, 2011 @ 15:37:32
No single “right” stance, but Jerry rocks and rolls here:
http://www.myoutdoortv.com/shooting/shooting-usa/jerry-miculek-stance
Jerry has more awesome tips here:
http://www.shootingusa.com/cgi-moses/location?http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid60836865001
and the AMU here:
http://www.shootingusa.com/cgi-moses/location?http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid61181609001
These are all off the shootingusa.com web site, bottom left corner.
Personally, I think forearm/grip strength has more to do with recoil recovery than anything…look at Jerry’s forearms and mits!
Get a set of these grips to improve recoil recovery more than anything:
http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/opencms/Main/captainsofcrush.html
John M. Buol Jr.
May 29, 2011 @ 16:30:15
Very interesting!
How did you fare competing in the Rapid Fire discipline at the 1970 World Shooting Championships and elsewhere? What prompted you to become an organizer and public relations person for those who did?
David B. Monier-Williams
May 29, 2011 @ 16:48:55
John:
I’m familiar with Olympic Rapid -Fire. I first used a Hammerli yet ended up with a Walther. The more modern Pardini’s weren’t around at that time. I guess my first introduction to it was Capt.(Rtd.) Arthur Dann, then Bill Blankenship, followed by Sgt. Aubrey Smith and Sgt. Barbara Hile. Then following my organizing the entertaining of the entire German Shooting team in Buffalo NY, prior to the 1970 World Shooting Championships at the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix AZ, there I met and befriended the Romanian RF champion and concert singer Marcel Rosca. I forgot, apart from Marcel my favourite was CF shooter Karin Fitzner of the German team. Following that I organized, if not the only, certainly one of the few, ISU Pistol Leagues in the US. It consisted of RF, CF, SF, AP Std P.
As Public Relations Director for the NYSR&PA I organized the only State ISU Pistol team ever to go to Germany to compete with several clubs. They ended up in Munich and after being permitted to shoot in the all German AP competition. They weren’t allowed to win prizes though several would have qualified. They were feted by being paraded around a German Beer Hall on the shoulders of German competitors to the tune of, “The Stars and Stripes Forever.”
So I think I’m reasonably acquainted with Olympic shooting.
Will do, after Keith’s comments.
Jewish Marksman
May 29, 2011 @ 17:34:20
I would just add one thing…the individual should do whatever works best for him/her…
Shooting stances are IMHO like a baseball hitter’s stance, everyone’s is different players have proven their stance works for them with irrefutable results.
How you teach a beginner is one thing, but a serious shooter should try a lot of different things and ideas and tweak tweak tweak until perfect for her or him.
John M. Buol Jr.
May 30, 2011 @ 08:08:36
>> the individual should do whatever works best for him/her…
Very true, provided that it is backed by measurable, improved performance.
Some people mistakenly believe a certain technique is magically superior without having any objective measurement to back it up. “Better” technique must be backed by better results that can be demonstrated and measured.
David B. Monier-Williams
May 30, 2011 @ 08:56:32
Oh, John, I’m an avid shooter these past 50+ years. I still take lessons. I found that I was a better organizer than shooter.
David B. Monier-Williams
May 30, 2011 @ 09:20:28
Let’s get this straight. for Competitive Shooting you can stand any which way as long as it works. In Defensive Shooting as my friend, Bill Jordan wrote, “There’s no Second Place Winner.”
The videos below show the correct basic stance.
Using the Basic Turnipseed Technique stance can lead you to these advanced techniques. These can be taught to both men and women as strength is not a factor. The same stance is used for all shoulder fired small arms. The only difference is the position of the arms for rifle and shotgun. Recoil is a non issue as you’ll see demonstrated in the following three short videos. there is NO sound. Copy and paste the URLs to your Browser.
The first is how to deal with short range multiple targets.
http://www.turnipseedstance.com/videos.htm
The second is pure recoil management. Shotgun 12 gauge with magnum slugs. Note both feet off the ground.
http://www.turnipseedstance.com/videos/shotgun.wmv
Lastly, firing an FN 7.62 full auto. while standing on one leg!
The full and detailed information on this revolutionary technique can be found in the new book, “The Martial Art of the Gun.”
David B. Monier-Williams
May 30, 2011 @ 09:22:01
I forgot the third short video. here it is
http://www.turnipseedstance.com/videos/FullAuto.wmv
Sorry about that.