I found this on Brian Enos forum under “Demonstrating as a trainer, Should you live fire demonstrate?” The response by “dirtypool40” was good, as usual. This guy knows what he is talking about!
The “rule” that no instructors will shoot in front of the students is weak!
You don’t need to be THE champ to teach, and the champ may be an AWFUL teacher, but you better know what the hell you are doing and how to teach it!!
I may not be able to snap off a personal best .70 reload on the first try in front of the class, but if I can’t demonstrate CORRECT technique, full speed and ssssssssslow mo, by the numbers, than even LEO you are just a gun rag commando with a badge.
There are WAY too many “instructors” out there, who can’t teach worth a damn, and can’t even really shoot. But they scowl and wear the gear, and somehow people buy it.
Sure, there are instances where I can NO LONGER do something, but still understand it well enough to help folks in the technical aspects, and even move them past my current level.
BUT!!! Just reading about, or going to some course where they mentioned a technique, does NOT qualify you to teach it. You don’t even have the shallowest, most basic understanding of something if you can only say “stand like that, do that, don’t jerk the trigger, come on, front site maggot!!!”.
If you take being an instructor seriously, as in you want to be good AT INSTRUCTING not just talking about it, you already know about different learning styles and that one drill, demo, description or technique is not going to “turn the light on” for every student. If you take away demo-ing, you’ve lost a major tool in turning that light bulb on.
I have buddies who are LEO, went through the academy myself and have had LEO in my classes.
LEO at the experienced “street cop” level are so used to knowing it all, and being the final word, you MUST be able to demonstrate a technique, and PROVE it’s better or they will ignore you. Sure, once they’ve been to a year’s worth of matches, they ACCEPT that the academy was 30 years behind and they are more open minded, but if you get them fresh of the street, they know it all.
At the academy I had an experience EXACTLY like you describe, from the STUDENT’S point of view. As “instructors” they had a bunch of LEO, working the range as an “extra duty”. They weren’t gun nuts, competitors or even good shooters. But there was an abundance of tough talk, posturing and telling us we sucked. ZERO demo.
The fact that any of us qualified was pure, random chance.
They kept barking at me, even though I was the best shooter in the class, and qual’d the first try through.
They hated what I was doing, and when I asked them to demo the “right” way, they were furious, and crawfished away most riky tick.
When I won the shoot off at the end and the students wanted to match me up with the most boastful instructor, he declined.
This was when I was about a low “C” level shooter. What did some super-dee-duper LEO instructor have to fear from me?
I was so disgusted with the LACK of decent understanding of proper technique and instruction that I sought out competition as a way to finally learn something about shooting, first IDPA then graduating to IPSC / USPSA. I liked that the shooters HAD TO do more than talk about it, and that proof made me a believer and made it easier to improve through positive visualization.
Yes, you not only need to demo, you need to rescind that stupid rule and hold the instructors to a higher standard.
Karl Rehn
Nov 11, 2010 @ 08:04:50
We do some type of demonstration in every class, to show students what “right looks like” and what we expect from them (speed and accuracy). Generally I don’t do my demos at max speed. I do them at the speed I want the students to run the drill. All the drills I run in class for students are drills I can run at “class speed” 10 times out of 10 with no mistakes.
I was at the Rogers shooting school in Georgia last month. Their instructors demonstrated all the drills, and shot them all at the Advanced level (basically IPSC Grand Master level)
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Lance Espinosa
Nov 11, 2010 @ 08:05:29
What he said.
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Ted Sames
Nov 11, 2010 @ 11:44:26
The question presented is, “Should firearms instructors do a demonstration shoot for their students?”…To be a firearms instructor, you should complete a shooting demonstration for your students. You should demonstrate the fundamentals by shooting precision bullseye. I do this at 5 yards shooting .22 match targets…it better be one small ragged hole. IF an instructor can not do this, it shows that he does not follow the fundamentals. An example: At 5 yards, the instructor’s groups are 2″, then that translates to 10” at 25 yards…and that is not impressive and he would not be my instructor.
The next demo would be what I call the “Shooting Kata” and it entails all shooting on the move…in all directions…fast and proper reloads…all instinctive shooting at high speed then, extremely close and contact shooting. All this can be done with 3 high capacity magazines. I teach this so I better demonstrate it. All bullet holes should be in the kill zone on a full size target…done from contact to 10 to 12 yards.
If an instructor can’t do this or won’t do this for his students…I believe, that the instructor in question has lost his creditability. Taking an instructor class does not make one an instructor…it takes skill, dedication, people skills, patience, and problem solving.
Ted A Sames II, Sames Instinctive Shooting School
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Don McGaffey
Nov 11, 2010 @ 18:09:50
Firearm Shooter Network,
Thank you so much for sharing that Instructors must demonstrate!!. Here’s another perspective.
The majority of my early work was with the Boy Scouts. I advanced from NRA Certified Instructor, where I, or someone more proficient, always demonstrated. So as a Training Counselor, I developed Instructors for NRA certification the same way. When I was invited to the “Train the Trainers” level, now appointed NRA Master Training Counselor, I shared with one of the courses I took to be qualified, that we never yelled on the range. Yes, we had a “Range Voice”, as all the shooters were wearing hearing protection, but we never yelled. I got a lot of questions. Primary to every answer was that these boys wanted to be there, wanted to do what we could teach them. So they were listening. I’ve never liked being yelled at, so I never did it.
One day, when one of my youth staff was at the line, with me several steps behind talking with a parent, while watching the line at all times, the range command sequence came very slowly, and one rifle fired before “Commence Firing” was ordered. My young man asked who did that, and one terrified Scout held up his hand, and was told to open his action and lay his rifle down. He then backed up the range commands, and with confirmation that every shooter was ready, gave the “Commence Firing” command. He then went to the Scout (we start them firing prone) got down on one knee, bent close, and spoke with him for almost two minutes. Then he gave him an individual command sequence, and went back to his post at the center of the line. I would love to know exactly how he gave his re-instruction to that boy, but he never spoke of it.
I was with the boy’s father. He repeated, excitedly, “He never shouted at him!”, and finally said that he was amazed because his son had broken the first rule of gun safety. I clarified that he had not, but rather, (and only possibly) the second, and that my young staffer (Certified Assistant Instructor) had very young shooters waiting on his commands for too long. Young folk can’t hold a position, let alone not move, for that long. And did he notice the command string was given more quickly the second time?
I introduced reactive targets to a Council devoted to x-ring shooting. Response time was slow, but they are now an option target for all our camps. The goat is the same, hit what you’re shooting at. Because I advocated the hung-from-above style, which splatter or ricochet downwards every time, I was dis appointed when they purchased the resettable targets. Just because I believe so strongly what your contributor wrote, I hang my original three different size circles reactive target at the end of the walking lane, where the backstop is, but no targets are hung. It only takes a Troop a little while to figure it out, and the requests start. I let them call off the three shots, using the very traditional NRA Standing (elbow braced in) stance, and give them a three note song. This allows me to describe the NRA marksmanship program, and remind them that if you earn the rating at Boy Scouts, you can wear it on your uniform.
Remember this approach if you are ever to be considered for a Women’s Introductory shoot, or a Family Introductory shoot. We won’t build the shooting family if we can’t demonstrate every thing we teach, and get past the yelling. 9am. Opening the range. 16 rifles come off the rack, each one to a fresh Scout. Each action opened, visually checked, and finger prodded. Modeling what we are trying to teach is the first rule of instruction.
Keep hitting what you’re shooting at.
~Don McGaffey
NRA Distinguished Expert, and I can wear it on my uniform.
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