Glocks were rejected by the DOD prior to being allowed in for testing back in 1985 due to a lack of a “second strike capability” (a capability never actually used in doctrine immediate action procedures…) This paved the way for a SIG v. Beretta test, with Beretta winning on price.
Now, Beretta’s M9A3 has been rejected by the DOD prior to being allowed in for testing and a Glock may replace the M9.
And that’s how “logic” works in the DOD!
Of course, the final choice won’t really matter…
https://firearmusernetwork.com/military-finally-looking-to-retire-the-m9-pistol/
Ted A Sames II
Nov 03, 2016 @ 08:55:31
Our US weapons testing program has always been steeped in pure politics. I am not surprised here. We need to take notice on how the Germans and Austrians test and select their police weapons. Their military and police units receive the very best. As for the Beretta 92–it was our sheriff’s office approval list and rarely had any trouble with durability, accuracy and reliability.Our SO was the 2nd largest in the US so as an Armorer and Lead FAI, I was able to see a wide variety of weapons being used. I remember the day when the Glock reps came to our range to sell our SWAT Team on the G 21 pistol. They conducted the freeze test and the mud test and the pistol came out at 100%. They approached me because at the time, I hated Glocks! The reps handed me a G 21 and a hatchet. In their Germanic accents, they said, “We heard you hated Glocks–try to destroy it!” I smashed the G 21 on the sidewalk…smashed it with a primed case…sliced off the sights with the hatchet….beat it with the flat side…etc. They said, “Could your P-226 survive that punishment?” I said noting but was impressed. One rep handed me several loaded magazines–and I became very afraid. The other rep replaced the sights. “We heard you are an excellent marksman…” It was 100% reliable and I found this G 21 to be exceptionally accurate. Since retirement, I carry the G 43 or the G 33 everywhere I go..I just bought the G 17 for range and class use..
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John M. Buol Jr.
Nov 03, 2016 @ 09:25:20
>> As for the Beretta 92–it was our sheriff’s office approval list and rarely had any trouble with durability, accuracy and reliability. … at the time, I hated Glocks! … Since retirement, I carry the G 43 or the G 33 everywhere I go..I just bought the G 17 for range and class use.
As you point out, any of these will work just fine. I’ve shot the new M9A3 and it’s a good improvement. Glocks are also good, and would have been a good choice in 1985.
I just find the reasons for these choices amusing, especially when there’s no effort to improve the skills of those actually carrying them.
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Billy Moore
Nov 03, 2016 @ 20:02:05
It would be nice if the US military could use arms built by US companies.
From what I’ve read of Glocks and Sigs, they both need parts replaced every 5000 rounds as part of routine maintenance. That seems rather high maintenance, but given what gets reported here about the amount of shooting done by service and LEO personnel, that may not really be a problem.
I don’t know of any such maintenance requirements for M&P’s, XD’s, or Ruger’s. I’d favor one of those. Personally, I like the M&P. It fits my hand better. Mine has about 1200 rounds through it with one failure, which I think was due to a deformed case.
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John M. Buol Jr.
Nov 04, 2016 @ 07:50:14
I don’t think 5,000 rounds is so bad. Parts replacement here is for things like recoil springs. This is a fair amount of shooting even for an active competitor. Many military pistols and rifles are destroyed by poor cleaning procedures before they see this many rounds.
https://firearmusernetwork.com/moron-cleaning-guns-maintain/
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