“Gunsite has outstanding realistic training.”
– Ernie Van Der Leest, Gunsite graduate
The Garland Texas Stage at the Gunsite Alumni Shoot
https://www.facebook.com/GunsiteAcademy/videos/10153895678934453/
Gunsite Shotgun Advanced Tactical Problems Class Shoot Off
https://www.facebook.com/GunsiteAcademy/videos/10153880407169453/
"Ya gotta remember that safety..." I guess that's needed advice for a student at an Advanced Tactical Problems class. But competition (like a shoot off) is no good because it's not as stressful as the real world...
556 Carbine Shoot Off Drill
https://www.facebook.com/GunsiteAcademy/videos/10153865187389453/
223 Carbine Class
https://www.facebook.com/GunsiteAcademy/videos/10153846475654453/
Vehicle Defense Class drill
https://www.facebook.com/GunsiteAcademy/videos/10153547963679453/
250 Shoot Off
https://www.facebook.com/GunsiteAcademy/videos/10153494147274453/
Another tactical Gunsite exercise
https://www.facebook.com/GunsiteAcademy/videos/10154322850704453/
Another 250 Shoot Off, with the two class winners
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMr3jwHjj5s/
In case you missed the caption, the guy that unintentionally hurled the magazine downrange was among the top students in this class.
A range at Gunsite... or is this set up for a USPSA competition?
Gosh, all of this looks an awful like any number of competitive shooting matches I’ve been to. Like, nearly identical. Well, at least when watching the folks that typically round out the bottom half of the final results…
In case you think I’m exaggerating, here’s Rob Leatham at Gunsite (off camera to the left) shooting against and beating three other shooters:
Question: If I set up these Gunsite courses of fire as demonstrated here at my range and run them as a match, at what point does this become unrealistic and start inducing training scars or bad habits?
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Billy Moore
Dec 21, 2016 @ 08:45:42
The point at which you attach the word “match”.
Who is Ernie Van Der Leest?
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John M. Buol Jr.
Dec 21, 2016 @ 08:58:27
>> The point at which you attach the word “match”.
Yep, as soon as we actually care about the results and measure them, then it causes problems, becomes unrealistic, and starts inducing training scars and bad habits. While I’m confident you’re just adding to the snark (thanks for that) I know some people that would, sadly, state this in complete seriousness.
>> Who is Ernie Van Der Leest?
A Gunsite graduate. For the record, I think Gunsite is a good school. I just don’t understand how a number of their instructors and students claim competition experience is “bad” when their school and the Modern Technique was born out of competition experience. Especially when a number of their school exercises are no different than exercises and courses used in competitive circles.
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